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1 The Worst Soul on Thu Aug 24, 2017 7:14 pm

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Priority: Primary
Fighting Style: Devil Fruit
Skill Set Name: Soru Soru no mi
Skill Set Information: The Soru Soru no Mi is a Paramecia-type Devil Fruit that allows the user to freely interact with and manipulate souls.

This can be done in a number of ways, including but not limited to drawing out and manifesting fragments of humans' souls into a spectral, light-colored, but (for the user) tangible substance, which the user extracts by grabbing at the substance when it begins surrounding the body and pulling it out. This effectively steals from a target's very lifespan,the amount of which being determined by the user, shown to be up to and possibly beyond decades at once and down to the second if desired.Thus, if they lose too many years at once, victims may be killed instantaneously.However, the extraction process does not seem to be painful to its victims

By infusing objects and living animals with soul fragments, the user can "humanize" them to develop human-like intelligence, with inanimate objects gaining a life of their own in the first place, and undergo transformations to more closely resemble humans. Though the only prominent change in objects are their human faces, animals will more so have their general physique affected to varying degrees, such as becoming able to stand up-right.

If a Vivre Card is infused with a soul fragment, instead of becoming anthropomorphic, the card will exude a bright aura that only Homies can see

In addition to stealing and using the souls of other people, the user may manifest their own soul into living fragments called Incarnations, which come in the form of roughly human-sized, dark, somewhat humanoid blobs, which possess limited sentience and can absorb people's souls as well
Passives:

  • Unnatural Life Force- Due to having such a powerful soul, the user is incredibly resilient and brimming with life +1 durability-t3
  • Me and the Gals-The user is able to sprout incarnations in the exact shape and dimensions of themselves. These incarnations have attributes based off the user's capped at a tier 3 character, but function somewhat like npcs by only have one prioritization in the user's main. Each one created costs 20 stamina with no upkeep can make a max 4. Dissolve when destroyed or at the end of the topic. -t2
  • Man eater- Things with souls that the user touches will have a  small amount of their life force drained each time they do so, causing a loss of 10% of their stamina pool which will be then transferred to the user. This also applies to incarnations. -t2

(Link to purchase of passives)
Skillset Strengths:

  • -User can create incarnations
  • -User can create homies
  • - User can physically interact with others' souls and call them out by "speaking to the soul"

Skillset Weaknesses:

  • -Those with soul affecting powers such as the yomi yomi can harm homies and do +1 damage to them- note this +1 does not extend homies created from the user's own powerful soul.
  • -User cannot place souls into people-living or dead
  • -User is unable to use techniques, such as "Soul Pocus," which "draw out" the soul if the target does not fear death or them
  • -Those with a piece of the user's Vivre card can control the homies if the user is not around in the topic- this does not apply to homies created from the user's own soul
  • -While homies listen to and obey the user, they possess their own personalities and can naturally be persuaded to disobey them, to an extent

Notes:

Incarnations:

Incarnations are pieces of the user's own powerful soul. Incarnations can come in varying shapes and sizes and usually take on human sized dimensions. Similar to the user, incarnations will have attributes which will equate to the tier of the skill used to create them unless stated otherwise and their attribute would all be categorized as non-prioritized besides the main prioritization of the user. (EX: a t4 incarnation skill would create incarnations with the attributes of a t4 character with a prioritization in one attribute). The user's mind is linked to the incarnations, allowing them to know anything the incarnations do.

Incarnations are able to use any techniques the user possess that concern making contact with souls or implanting them for half the stamina cost, this is limited to t4 and below skills however.  Being made of actual life fore, incarnations have the ability to exist after threads they were created and break away from the user. They must remain on the same island as the user however or they will instantly fade away. User must constantly pay the stamina cost to keep the incarnations present and can force them to fade away at anytime.

"Drawing Out" the Soul :

The eater of the soru soru is able to "draw out" the soul of things with their abilities. This takes the form of a spectral wavy shroud that is light colored around a person which can only be seen by the user and physically touched by them. Different techniques will cause more of this substance to be drawn out than others. Once drawn out, the user can touch and absorb the substance, the amount of years taken will depend on the technique. The taking of life span will be measured in percentages, with each person having a total of 100% life force. Different techniques will take different percentages.


Once taken, this life force is instantly absorbed into the user and can be used to create homies. The user can store an infinite amount of additional life force within themselves thanks to their powerful soul. If the user dies, the life force will return to the original owners.

In order to draw out the soul of something that thing must either fear death or the user. On the site, to completely not fear the user it will be measured by comparing total ep, meaning if a person has a higher total ep than the user they will not have any inkling of fear. They must also have absolutely no fear of death (meaning it specifically says such in their character app and they cannot just conveniently feel no fear of death in that certain moment in order to cheese out of it).

If the user dies, all soul portions they have taken will be returned to their original hosts. If the user is knocked out, only soul portions currently absorbed within her body are returned.

Homies:

Homies are the results of infusing animals, plants, or other objects with soul fragments. This process gives homies life and the ability to talk and act like humans. Almost anything can become a homie, with the exception of corpses, humans, or purely liquid material, so their appearances can be incredibly varied. Any inanimate object imaginable can become a Homie after having a piece of a soul infused into it regardless of shape, size, or tangibility- this extends to even material created from other devil fruits.

The main change for non-animal homies infused with human souls is that they gain the ability to move around on their own along with a cartoonist style face, with some going as far as to gain limbs or change basic structure/shape. Animals who are infused with human souls gain human-like attributes, such as talking, standing up-right and wearing clothes, which make them resemble members of the Mink Tribe. However, they cannot use Electro and animal-type homies can be mammals, reptiles, amphibians, or birds while minks are limited to mammalian animals. Despite being created from a devil fruit, homies are not affected by seawater or sea stone. Homies cannot ingest devil fruits or use haki, but can be imbued with the user's haki or the person's soul which they were born from. They can be attached with dials.

Upon death, the homie's facial structure loses its eyes, leaving them empty sockets. If the face is attached back together, the homie would be brought back to life. When a Homie dies the portion of their soul returns to the eater of the Soru Soru. If the eater of the soru soru dies all souls stolen return to their original owners, causing all homies to also die.

Homies can naturally sense the eater of the soru soru if they are on the same island as them, as well as those who hold a vivre card with a portion of the user's soul within it.

For the site, Homies will function similarly to pets and will start at the tier of the person's soul they were born from. They work on the same attribute system as pets, with only one primary attribute and no secondary.

Homies have ep pools similar to pets and automatically start at the lowest total ep for their tier. Homies cannot teir up. They can never be created as a higher tier than the user of the soru soru.

Homies may only have one skill set and each Tier may only have three skills each, with the exception of Tier 5 which only has 2 Skills and T6 with can have one 1. They cannot have more skills bought for them.

Stamina pools for Homies are the same as pets as are their costs for using skills.Note that they are eligible for rest stamina benefits.  

All homies have special attributes which usually have to do with the object or animal they were born from. Homies have a number special characteristics that relate to what they are born from, having 1 at tier 1, another at tier 3, and another at t5. Unlike pets however, Homies also have the ability to have an additional 2 out of the ordinary characteristics such as pudding's carpet Rabiyan having the ability to fly. Homies gain these special characteristics at t1 and gain another at t4.

Homies created from the user's own powerful soul are considered "special homies". They automatically start at the same tier as the user and naturally tier up as they do. Special homies can be summoned to the user's side instantly at will. Special homies are gifted with an additional special characteristic. The user can only posses a certain number of special homies depending on their tier.
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The user can "recall" the soul of any homie they are in a topic with which will instantly kill them and re-absorb the portion used for the creation of that homie into the user.

The user can bring as many homies as they want into a topic but their total tier cannot exceed 12.
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2 Re: The Worst Soul on Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:04 am

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Get the lube, this skillset is ready to get fucked in the ass


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3 Re: The Worst Soul on Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:01 am

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Venus wrote:
Priority: Primary
Fighting Style: Devil Fruit
Skill Set Name: Soru Soru no mi
Skill Set Information: The Soru Soru no Mi is a Paramecia-type Devil Fruit that allows the user to freely interact with and manipulate souls.

This can be done in a number of ways, including but not limited to drawing out and manifesting fragments of humans' souls into a spectral, light-colored, but (for the user) tangible substance, which the user extracts by grabbing at the substance when it begins surrounding the body and pulling it out. This effectively steals from a target's very lifespan,the amount of which being determined by the user, shown to be up to and possibly beyond decades at once and down to the second if desired.Thus, if they lose too many years at once, victims may be killed instantaneously.However, the extraction process does not seem to be painful to its victims

By infusing objects and living animals with soul fragments, the user can "humanize" them to develop human-like intelligence, with inanimate objects gaining a life of their own in the first place, and undergo transformations to more closely resemble humans. Though the only prominent change in objects are their human faces, animals will more so have their general physique affected to varying degrees, such as becoming able to stand up-right.

If a Vivre Card is infused with a soul fragment, instead of becoming anthropomorphic, the card will exude a bright aura that only Homies can see

In addition to stealing and using the souls of other people, the user may manifest their own soul into living fragments called Incarnations, which come in the form of roughly human-sized, dark, somewhat humanoid blobs, which possess limited sentience and can absorb people's souls as well
Passives:

  • Unnatural Life Force- Due to having such a powerful soul, the user is incredibly resilient and brimming with life +1 durability-t3
    I really don't see how you'd get durability from this. I get I would get if you were a martial artist and trained hard or w.e

  • Me and the Gals-The user is able to sprout incarnations in the exact shape and dimensions of themselves. These incarnations have attributes equal to those of the eater. The number able to be created is based on the tier of the user (t1-1,t2-3,t3-5). each one created costs 10 stamina with no upkeep. Dissolve when destroyed or at the end of the topic. -t2 Up the stamina cost to create since this has no upkeep. Since these are made from piece of your soul their attributes shouldn't be identical with yours, and should go down with the more you create.


  • Man eater- Things with souls that come in contact with the user will have a small amount of their life force drained each time they do so, causing a loss of 10% of their stamina pool which will be then transferred to the user. This also applies to incarnations-t1
    You will have to actively touch someone to do this. Just how when the Yami user has to touch someone to null their devil fruit abilities. And raise the tier

(Link to purchase of passives)
Skillset Strengths:

  • -User can create incarnations
  • -User can create homies
  • -User is able to physically touch and target the souls of others and damage them, making their skills completely ignore durability I don't allow people ignoring durability. If anything you can go off the internal durability of someone.
  • - Since the user can attack the soul of things, this allows them to to bypass things usually immune to physical touch and strikes such as logia intangibility. No. You'd need buso haki to do this.

Skillset Weaknesses:

  • -Those with soul affecting powers such as the yomi yomi can harm homies and do +1 damage to them- note this +1 does not extend homies created from the user's own powerful soul.
  • -User cannot place souls into people-living or dead
  • -User is unable to use techniques, such as "Soul Pocus," which "draw out" the soul if the target does not fear death or them
  • -Those with a piece of the user's Vivre card can control the homies if the user is not around in the topic- this does not apply to homies created from the user's own soul
  • -While homies listen to and obey the user, they possess their own personalities and can naturally be persuaded to disobey them, to an extent

Notes:

Incarnations:

Incarnations are pieces of the user's own powerful soul. Incarnations can come in varying shapes and sizes and usually take on human sized dimensions. Similar to the user, incarnations will have attributes which will equate to the tier of the skill used to create them unless stated otherwise and their attribute would all be categorized as non-prioritized (EX: a t4 incarnation skill would create incarnations with the attributes of a t4 character). The user's mind is linked to the incarnations, allowing them to know anything the incarnations do.

Incarnations are able to use any techniques the user possess that concern making contact with souls or implanting them for half the stamina cost, this is limited to t4 and below skills however.  Being made of actual life fore, incarnations have the ability to exist after threads they were created and break away from the user. They must remain on the same island as the user however or they will instantly fade away. User must constantly pay the stamina cost to keep the incarnations present and can force them to fade away at anytime.




"Drawing Out" the Soul :

The eater of the soru soru is able to "draw out" the soul of things with their abilities. This takes the form of a spectral wavy shroud that is light colored around a person which can only be seen by the user and physically touched by them. Different techniques will cause more of this substance to be drawn out than others. Once drawn out, the user can touch and absorb the substance, the amount of years taken will depend on the technique. The taking of life span will be measured in percentages, with each person having a total of 100% life force. Different techniques will take different percentages and the more taken from a person the more consequences they face.

75% of souls extracted is -2 in all attributes. Severe aging,50-100
50% of souls extracted is -1.5 in all attributes. Age 20-40 years
25% of souls extracted is -1 in all attributes. Age a few years, max 15
If all souls are extracted the user will instantly die these attribute deductions are permanent.

Once taken, this life force is instantly absorbed into the user and can be used to create homies. The user can store an infinite amount of additional life force within themselves thanks to their powerful soul. If the user dies, the life force will return to the original owners.

In order to draw out the soul of something that thing must either fear death or the user. On the site, to completely not fear the user it will be measured by comparing total ep, meaning if a person has a higher total ep than the user they will not have any inkling of fear. They must also have absolutely no fear of death (meaning it specifically says such in their character app and they cannot just conveniently feel no fear of death in that certain moment in order to cheese out of it). No, someone doesn't have to put in their character app that they don't fear death. We can and will solely go off of the difference of EP. And you will need to put exactly the amount needed. As someone with, for example, less than a thousand total ep wouldn't necessarily be afraid of you.  

If the user dies, all soul portions they have taken will be returned to their original hosts. Nah, we going to do this like user of that toy fruit. You being knocked out will be enough, but those you've taken the soul from would need to be in that topic to get it back. This obviously isn't for when you go to sleep.

Homies:

Homies are the results of infusing animals, plants, or other objects with soul fragments. This process gives homies life and the ability to talk and act like humans. Almost anything can become a homie, with the exception of corpses, humans, or purely liquid material, so their appearances can be incredibly varied. Any inanimate object imaginable can become a Homie after having a piece of a soul infused into it regardless of shape, size, or tangibility- this extends to even material created from other devil fruits.

The main change for non-animal homies infused with human souls is that they gain the ability to move around on their own along with a cartoonist style face, with some going as far as to gain limbs or change basic structure/shape. Animals who are infused with human souls gain human-like attributes, such as talking, standing up-right and wearing clothes, which make them resemble members of the Mink Tribe. However, they cannot use Electro and animal-type homies can be mammals, reptiles, amphibians, or birds while minks are limited to mammalian animals. Despite being created from a devil fruit, homies are not affected by seawater or sea stone. Homies cannot ingest devil fruits or use haki, but can be imbued with the user's haki or the person's soul which they were born from. They can be attached with dials.

Upon death, the homie's facial structure loses its eyes, leaving them empty sockets. If the face is attached back together, the homie would be brought back to life. When a Homie dies the portion of their soul returns to the eater of the Soru Soru. If the eater of the soru soru dies all souls stolen return to their original owners, causing all homies to also die.

Homies can naturally sense the eater of the soru soru if they are on the same island as them, as well as those who hold a vivre card with a portion of the user's soul within it.

For the site, Homies will function similarly to pets and will start at the tier of the person's soul they were born from. They work on the same attribute system as pets, with only one primary attribute and no secondary, however they are not stopped from growing after t4 like pets.  

Homies have ep pools similar to pets and automatically start at the lowest total ep for their tier. Homies do not need to apply for tier up and automatically do once reaching the next total ep. They can never reach a higher tier than the user of the soru soru.

Homies may only have one skill set and each Tier may only have three skills each, with the exception of Tier 5 which only has 2 Skills and T6 with can have one 1. They cannot have more skills bought for them. Homies can have one occupation that they can never specialize in, it cannot be beast master. Note that homies created from a devil fruit skill will be able to use the skills of that devil fruit skill set up to their tier at the time of their creation in addition to their own skills.  No occupation

Stamina pools for Homies are the same as pets as are their costs for using skills.Note that they are eligible for rest stamina benefits.  

All homies have special attributes which usually have to do with the object or animal they were born from. Homies have a number special characteristics that relate to what they are born from, having 1 at tier 1, another at tier 3, and another at t5. Unlike pets however, Homies also have the ability to have an additional 2 out of the ordinary characteristics such as pudding's carpet Rabiyan having the ability to fly. Homies gain these special characteristics at t1 and gain another at t4.

Homies created from the user's own powerful soul are considered "special homies". They automatically start at the same tier as the user and naturally tier up as they do. These homies are able to possess a secondary attribute and not only posses their own stamina pools, but are able to draw stamina from the user's pool. Special homies can be summoned to the user's side instantly at will. Special homies are gifted with an additional special characteristic. The user can only posses a certain number of special homies depending on their tier.
t1-1
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The user can bring as many homies as they want into a topic but their total tier cannot exceed 13.
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I want anyone checking this after me to look carefully at this topic. Just so Alice-chan can feel comfortable.


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4 Re: The Worst Soul on Sun Sep 03, 2017 12:45 pm

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Orange. wrote:I really don't see how you'd get durability from this. I get I would get if you were a martial artist and trained hard or w.e

I mean the strength of someone's soul usually carries over to the strength of their body-the vessel for that soul meaning the user's body would have to be stronger than average to house a stronger than average soul. Doesn't equate to a martial artist "training hard" at all. It's not too hard of a concept and was approved as a good enough reason on the prior app of this with far less explanation. Makes more sense then a lot of other stuff that gives +1 stat boosts.

Orange. wrote:
No. You'd need buso haki to do this.

Give me one reason why this fruit would not have such capabilities, the entire fruit is summed up by giving the user the ability to interact with someone's soul so being able to damage it is part of the fruit. There's no reason someone with the fruit would not be able hit people with skills and strikes with their powers regardless of their form as they are targeting the soul-something not affected or changed by most devil fruits. Buso haki works on devil fruit users because its attacking the "substantial body underneath" and is created from a person's soul. So why would the SOUL-SOUL eater need soul created buso haki to do what their fruit already does?

Orange. wrote:No, someone doesn't have to put in their character app that they don't fear death. We can and will solely go off of the difference of EP. And you will need to put exactly the amount needed. As someone with, for example, less than a thousand total ep wouldn't necessarily be afraid of you.

Since when has the fear of death ever been based on EP that literally makes 0 sense whatsoever. It's a canon fact of the fruit that if a person fears death then they are affected. A special total ep amount needed to not fear the user is also ridiculous because every character is different and has a different level of fear. The user is also gonna change and grow stronger with the fruit which would also cause more people to fear them that originally would not. I do not understand this reasoning at all.

Orange. wrote:Nah, we going to do this like user of that toy fruit. You being knocked out will be enough, but those you've taken the soul from would need to be in that topic to get it back. This obviously isn't for when you go to sleep.

Again makes 0 sense and directly goes against canon. The soru soru and hobi hobi are completely different fruits. Just cause they both "huehue make racez" doesn't mean they work the same. The shadow shadow fruit also makes a race of zombies from people's shadows and the shadows just don't magically leave the bodies of the zombies with the user is knocked out, they have to willingly expel them.

There's no canon proof of the soru soru remotely working that way as even when Big Mom had her massive screeching fit and went into an UNCONSCIOUS rage, her homies were completely unaffected.

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5 Re: The Worst Soul on Sun Sep 03, 2017 2:47 pm

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Venus wrote:
Orange. wrote:I really don't see how you'd get durability from this. I get I would get if you were a martial artist and trained hard or w.e

I mean the strength of someone's soul usually carries over to the strength of their body-the vessel for that soul meaning the user's body would have to be stronger than average to house a stronger than average soul. Doesn't equate to a martial artist "training hard" at all. It's not too hard of a concept and was approved as a good enough reason on the prior app of this with far less explanation. Makes more sense then a lot of other stuff that gives +1 stat boosts.

This I will give to you.

Orange. wrote:
No. You'd need buso haki to do this.

Give me one reason why this fruit would not have such capabilities, the entire fruit is summed up by giving the user the ability to interact with someone's soul so being able to damage it is part of the fruit. There's no reason someone with the fruit would not be able hit people with skills and strikes with their powers regardless of their form as they are targeting the soul-something not affected or changed by most devil fruits. Buso haki works on devil fruit users because its attacking the "substantial body underneath" and is created from a person's soul. So why would the SOUL-SOUL eater need soul created buso haki to do what their fruit already does?

Okay, I have a few reasons but I will just give you one. When she has been shown to take someone's soul their soul manifests outside of the user and gets grabbed.

Orange. wrote:No, someone doesn't have to put in their character app that they don't fear death. We can and will solely go off of the difference of EP. And you will need to put exactly the amount needed. As someone with, for example, less than a thousand total ep wouldn't necessarily be afraid of you.

Since when has the fear of death ever been based on EP that literally makes 0 sense whatsoever. It's a canon fact of the fruit that if a person fears death then they are affected. A special total ep amount needed to not fear the user is also ridiculous because every character is different and has a different level of fear. The user is also gonna change and grow stronger with the fruit which would also cause more people to fear them that originally would not. I do not understand this reasoning at all.

Then why would total EP make someone not afraid on you?
 On the site, to completely not fear the user it will be measured by comparing total ep, meaning if a person has a higher total ep than the user they will not have any inkling of fear.


Saying that they just have to fear death isn't going to fly and i'm not going to debate that with you. Saying making this based on EP does make sense and you going against it has no backing as your "canon fact" isn't even canon. Going back to the chapter where she forcibly took the soul of her son he was afraid of her and when he turned his back to her she took his soul. And the other times where a soul has been taken was when people had allowed their soul to be taken.

So, you will need to revise your entire soul snatching system you've made. Also take out the attributes being permanently weakened.  




Orange. wrote:Nah, we going to do this like user of that toy fruit. You being knocked out will be enough, but those you've taken the soul from would need to be in that topic to get it back. This obviously isn't for when you go to sleep.

Again makes 0 sense and directly goes against canon. The soru soru and hobi hobi are completely different fruits. Just cause they both "huehue make racez" doesn't mean they work the same. The shadow shadow fruit also makes a race of zombies from people's shadows and the shadows just don't magically leave the bodies of the zombies with the user is knocked out, they have to willingly expel them.

There's no canon proof of the soru soru remotely working that way as even when Big Mom had her massive screeching fit and went into an UNCONSCIOUS rage, her homies were completely unaffected.

Their is no canon proof that it doesn't work that way. I'm not saying all homies you create are changed back. I should've compared it to the shadow fruit when that guy absorbed souls into himself. And i'm saying if you take someone's soul and absorb it into yourself, eat it, you will release them once being knocked out.  

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6 Re: The Worst Soul on Sun Sep 03, 2017 4:55 pm

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Orange. wrote:Okay, I have a few reasons but I will just give you one. When she has been shown to take someone's soul their soul manifests outside of the user and gets grabbed.

Yea but that's not always the case as seen when her incarnation, which are just portions of her, take a person's soul it does not appear at all and instead they reach in and physically grab it without doing any harm to the person-showing that it goes beyond physically contact and is touching their actual soul and interacting with it. SOOOOOOOO next reason.
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Saying that they just have to fear death isn't going to fly and i'm not going to debate that with you. Saying making this based on EP does make sense and you going against it has no backing as your "canon fact" isn't even canon. Going back to the chapter where she forcibly took the soul of her son he was afraid of her and when he turned his back to her she took his soul. And the other times where a soul has been taken was when people had allowed their soul to be taken.

So, you will need to revise your entire soul snatching system you've made. Also take out the attributes being permanently weakened.

"if the target is not afraid of Big Mom or death in the slightest, her powers will have no effect on them"- One piece wiki

It says from the manga and wiki that they also have to not fear death, so yea it is a canon fact that I'm not taking out for no actual reason. I have fear of the user already based on ep so w.e on that.

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7 Re: The Worst Soul on Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:51 pm

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Venus wrote:
Orange. wrote:Okay, I have a few reasons but I will just give you one. When she has been shown to take someone's soul their soul manifests outside of the user and gets grabbed.

Yea but that's not always the case as seen when her incarnation, which are just portions of her, take a person's soul it does not appear at all and instead they reach in and physically grab it without doing any harm to the person-showing that it goes beyond physically contact and is touching their actual soul and interacting with it. SOOOOOOOO next reason.

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Orange. wrote:
Saying that they just have to fear death isn't going to fly and i'm not going to debate that with you. Saying making this based on EP does make sense and you going against it has no backing as your "canon fact" isn't even canon. Going back to the chapter where she forcibly took the soul of her son he was afraid of her and when he turned his back to her she took his soul. And the other times where a soul has been taken was when people had allowed their soul to be taken.

So, you will need to revise your entire soul snatching system you've made. Also take out the attributes being permanently weakened.  

"if the target is not afraid of Big Mom or death in the slightest, her powers will have no effect on them"- One piece wiki

It says from the manga and wiki that they also have to not fear death, so yea it is a canon fact that I'm not taking out for no actual reason. I have fear of the user already based on ep so w.e on that.

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Soul Pocus (魂への言葉 (ソウル・ポーカス) Souru Pōkasu?, Literally "Words to the Soul"): Big Mom speaks directly to the human soul's attachment to life, while striking fear into her opponent. She will demand that the person either give her what she desires, or give her their lifespan. If the person fears death for even a moment, Big Mom will be able to take their lifespan in any amount that she chooses; she can even take a person's entire remaining lifespan, instantly killing them.[1] However, if the person is completely fearless when they choose to have their lifespan taken, Big Mom will be unable to do so, nullifying the technique.[15] It was first seen used against Charlotte Moscato,[1] and was later named by Morgans when Big Mom used it on her cooks.[29] The Incarnations are capable of using a lesser version of this technique, where they take a month of every Totto Land citizen's lifespan if they wish to stay in Totto Land. Unlike Big Mom's other usages, the people will have their lifespans removed if they choose to do so; it is unknown if fear plays a role in this.[6]


It says that in that instance of being asked they have to fear death. And from the wiki you have to actually speak directly to the soul when trying to take it, instead of just reaching and taking it without saying anything. And also that your incarnations have to use a lesser version.

We can't just say that you making a logia intangible is possible without proof. But you can ask another admin for the opinion on you making logias tangible.





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8 Re: The Worst Soul on Tue Sep 05, 2017 6:08 pm

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Sabo wrote:It says that in that instance of being asked they have to fear death.

SOOOOO I was right they have to fear death, okay.

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And from the wiki you have to actually speak directly to the soul when trying to take it, instead of just reaching and taking it without saying anything. And also that your incarnations have to use a lesser version. We can't just say that you making a logia intangible is possible without proof. But you can ask another admin for the opinion on you making logias tangible.

buh uhhhh my incarnations are me, they are literally my soul, so whatever they do I should be able to do as well. Saying the use a lesser version of soul taking even strengthens my argument as it would be easier for me to do the same thing, not to mention it's not even known if speaking to the soul and inciting fear is required for this lesser version-as said in the wiki itself.

Soul Pocus is also only one technique of the soru soru, you don't see other emotion based fruits such as the mero mero always require lust to petrify people just cause mero mero mellow requires it. I've honestly given more evidence for why it should be easily possibly then you've given at all. I can agree for needing to "speak to the soul" to draw it out but it's honestly easily within the basics of this fruit even that the user should be able to touch and interact with the soul of a person as the incarnations have shown- this isn't breaking logia intangibility at all either, it just lets the user damage the soul underneath, their intangibility is not negated but bypassed as a logia fruit doesn't change the souls of people.


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Priority: Primary
Fighting Style: Devil Fruit
Skill Set Name: Soru Soru no mi
Skill Set Information: The Soru Soru no Mi is a Paramecia-type Devil Fruit that allows the user to freely interact with and manipulate souls.

This can be done in a number of ways, including but not limited to drawing out and manifesting fragments of humans' souls into a spectral, light-colored, but (for the user) tangible substance, which the user extracts by grabbing at the substance when it begins surrounding the body and pulling it out. This effectively steals from a target's very lifespan,the amount of which being determined by the user, shown to be up to and possibly beyond decades at once and down to the second if desired.Thus, if they lose too many years at once, victims may be killed instantaneously.However, the extraction process does not seem to be painful to its victims

By infusing objects and living animals with soul fragments, the user can "humanize" them to develop human-like intelligence, with inanimate objects gaining a life of their own in the first place, and undergo transformations to more closely resemble humans. Though the only prominent change in objects are their human faces, animals will more so have their general physique affected to varying degrees, such as becoming able to stand up-right.

If a Vivre Card is infused with a soul fragment, instead of becoming anthropomorphic, the card will exude a bright aura that only Homies can see

In addition to stealing and using the souls of other people, the user may manifest their own soul into living fragments called Incarnations, which come in the form of roughly human-sized, dark, somewhat humanoid blobs, which possess limited sentience and can absorb people's souls as well
Passives:

  • Unnatural Life Force- Due to having such a powerful soul, the user is incredibly resilient and brimming with life +1 durability-t3

  • Me and the Gals-The user is able to sprout incarnations in the exact shape and dimensions of themselves. These incarnations have attributes based off the user's and will become weaker the more that are created.
    1=Same attributes as the user
    2-3= same attributes as the user -1
    4-5=Same attributes as the user -2
    The number able to be created is based on the tier of the user (t1-1,t2-3,t3-5). each one created costs 20 stamina with no upkeep. Dissolve when destroyed or at the end of the topic. -t2

    This will be a T3 passive

  • Man eater- Things with souls that the user touches will have a  small amount of their life force drained each time they do so, causing a loss of 10% of their stamina pool which will be then transferred to the user. This also applies to incarnations. -t2
    You'd have to speak to their soul.  


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Skillset Strengths:

  • -User can create incarnations
  • -User can create homies
  • -User is able to physically touch and target the souls of others and damage them, making their skills go off a target's internal durability.
  • - Since the user can attack the soul of things, this allows them to to bypass things usually immune to physical touch and strikes such as logia intangibility.

Skillset Weaknesses:

  • -Those with soul affecting powers such as the yomi yomi can harm homies and do +1 damage to them- note this +1 does not extend homies created from the user's own powerful soul.
  • -User cannot place souls into people-living or dead
  • -User is unable to use techniques, such as "Soul Pocus," which "draw out" the soul if the target does not fear death or them
  • -Those with a piece of the user's Vivre card can control the homies if the user is not around in the topic- this does not apply to homies created from the user's own soul
  • -While homies listen to and obey the user, they possess their own personalities and can naturally be persuaded to disobey them, to an extent

    Also add in that each time you take a soul from someone, regardless of the way, you will have to speak directly to the soul.

Notes:

Incarnations:

Incarnations are pieces of the user's own powerful soul. Incarnations can come in varying shapes and sizes and usually take on human sized dimensions. Similar to the user, incarnations will have attributes which will equate to the tier of the skill used to create them unless stated otherwise and their attribute would all be categorized as non-prioritized (EX: a t4 incarnation skill would create incarnations with the attributes of a t4 character). The user's mind is linked to the incarnations, allowing them to know anything the incarnations do.

Incarnations are able to use any techniques the user possess that concern making contact with souls or implanting them for half the stamina cost, this is limited to t4 and below skills however.  Being made of actual life fore, incarnations have the ability to exist after threads they were created and break away from the user. They must remain on the same island as the user however or they will instantly fade away. User must constantly pay the stamina cost to keep the incarnations present and can force them to fade away at anytime.

"Drawing Out" the Soul :

The eater of the soru soru is able to "draw out" the soul of things with their abilities. This takes the form of a spectral wavy shroud that is light colored around a person which can only be seen by the user and physically touched by them. Different techniques will cause more of this substance to be drawn out than others. Once drawn out, the user can touch and absorb the substance, the amount of years taken will depend on the technique. The taking of life span will be measured in percentages, with each person having a total of 100% life force. Different techniques will take different percentages.


Once taken, this life force is instantly absorbed into the user and can be used to create homies. The user can store an infinite amount of additional life force within themselves thanks to their powerful soul. If the user dies, the life force will return to the original owners.

In order to draw out the soul of something that thing must either fear death or the user. On the site, to completely not fear the user it will be measured by comparing total ep, meaning if a person has a higher total ep than the user they will not have any inkling of fear. They must also have absolutely no fear of death (meaning it specifically says such in their character app and they cannot just conveniently feel no fear of death in that certain moment in order to cheese out of it). [/b]


Homies:

Homies are the results of infusing animals, plants, or other objects with soul fragments. This process gives homies life and the ability to talk and act like humans. Almost anything can become a homie, with the exception of corpses, humans, or purely liquid material, so their appearances can be incredibly varied. Any inanimate object imaginable can become a Homie after having a piece of a soul infused into it regardless of shape, size, or tangibility- this extends to even material created from other devil fruits.

The main change for non-animal homies infused with human souls is that they gain the ability to move around on their own along with a cartoonist style face, with some going as far as to gain limbs or change basic structure/shape. Animals who are infused with human souls gain human-like attributes, such as talking, standing up-right and wearing clothes, which make them resemble members of the Mink Tribe. However, they cannot use Electro and animal-type homies can be mammals, reptiles, amphibians, or birds while minks are limited to mammalian animals. Despite being created from a devil fruit, homies are not affected by seawater or sea stone. Homies cannot ingest devil fruits or use haki, but can be imbued with the user's haki or the person's soul which they were born from. They can be attached with dials.

Upon death, the homie's facial structure loses its eyes, leaving them empty sockets. If the face is attached back together, the homie would be brought back to life. When a Homie dies the portion of their soul returns to the eater of the Soru Soru. If the eater of the soru soru dies all souls stolen return to their original owners, causing all homies to also die.

Homies can naturally sense the eater of the soru soru if they are on the same island as them, as well as those who hold a vivre card with a portion of the user's soul within it.

For the site, Homies will function similarly to pets and will start at the tier of the person's soul they were born from. They work on the same attribute system as pets, with only one primary attribute and no secondary, however they are not stopped from growing after t4 like pets.  

Homies have ep pools similar to pets and automatically start at the lowest total ep for their tier. Homies do not need to apply for tier up and automatically do once reaching the next total ep. They can never reach a higher tier than the user of the soru soru.

Homies may only have one skill set and each Tier may only have three skills each, with the exception of Tier 5 which only has 2 Skills and T6 with can have one 1. They cannot have more skills bought for them. Note that homies created from a devil fruit skill will be able to use the skills of that devil fruit skill set up to their tier at the time of their creation in addition to their own skills. No to the Devil Fruit bit.

Stamina pools for Homies are the same as pets as are their costs for using skills.Note that they are eligible for rest stamina benefits.  

All homies have special attributes which usually have to do with the object or animal they were born from. Homies have a number special characteristics that relate to what they are born from, having 1 at tier 1, another at tier 3, and another at t5. Unlike pets however, Homies also have the ability to have an additional 2 out of the ordinary characteristics such as pudding's carpet Rabiyan having the ability to fly. Homies gain these special characteristics at t1 and gain another at t4.

Homies created from the user's own powerful soul are considered "special homies". They automatically start at the same tier as the user and naturally tier up as they do. These homies are able to possess a secondary attribute and not only posses their own stamina pools, but are able to draw stamina from the user's pool. Special homies can be summoned to the user's side instantly at will. The user is also able to buy them additional skills. No to the additional skills. Special homies are gifted with an additional special characteristic. The user can only posses a certain number of special homies depending on their tier.
t1-1
t3-2
t5-3
t6-4

The user can bring as many homies as they want into a topic but their total tier cannot exceed 13.




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Sabo wrote:It says that in that instance of being asked they have to fear death.

SOOOOO I was right they have to fear death, okay.

lawd They have to fear it when you try to take their soul. So if they for some reason don't fear death when you had started talking to their soul, you wouldn't be able to take it.

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And from the wiki you have to actually speak directly to the soul when trying to take it, instead of just reaching and taking it without saying anything. And also that your incarnations have to use a lesser version. We can't just say that you making a logia intangible is possible without proof. But you can ask another admin for the opinion on you making logias tangible.

buh uhhhh my incarnations are me, they are literally my soul, so whatever they do I should be able to do as well. Saying the use a lesser version of soul taking even strengthens my argument as it would be easier for me to do the same thing, not to mention it's not even known if speaking to the soul and inciting fear is required for this lesser version-as said in the wiki itself.

They are part of your soul and don't hold the same amount of power as you do. So they won't be able to do everything that you can do. As they haven't been shown to be used in that way at all. You aren't making perfect copies of yourself.

Soul Pocus is also only one technique of the soru soru, you don't see other emotion based fruits such as the mero mero always require lust to petrify people just cause mero mero mellow requires it. I've honestly given more evidence for why it should be easily possibly then you've given at all. I can agree for needing to "speak to the soul" to draw it out but it's honestly easily within the basics of this fruit even that the user should be able to touch and interact with the soul of a person as the incarnations have shown- this isn't breaking logia intangibility at all either, it just lets the user damage the soul underneath, their intangibility is not negated but bypassed as a logia fruit doesn't change the souls of people.

Soul pocus is what they named skill that Big Mom used. There aren't any variations to that.





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10 Re: The Worst Soul on Fri Sep 08, 2017 2:20 pm

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Priority: Primary
Fighting Style: Devil Fruit
Skill Set Name: Soru Soru no mi
Skill Set Information: The Soru Soru no Mi is a Paramecia-type Devil Fruit that allows the user to freely interact with and manipulate souls.

This can be done in a number of ways, including but not limited to drawing out and manifesting fragments of humans' souls into a spectral, light-colored, but (for the user) tangible substance, which the user extracts by grabbing at the substance when it begins surrounding the body and pulling it out. This effectively steals from a target's very lifespan,the amount of which being determined by the user, shown to be up to and possibly beyond decades at once and down to the second if desired.Thus, if they lose too many years at once, victims may be killed instantaneously.However, the extraction process does not seem to be painful to its victims

By infusing objects and living animals with soul fragments, the user can "humanize" them to develop human-like intelligence, with inanimate objects gaining a life of their own in the first place, and undergo transformations to more closely resemble humans. Though the only prominent change in objects are their human faces, animals will more so have their general physique affected to varying degrees, such as becoming able to stand up-right.

If a Vivre Card is infused with a soul fragment, instead of becoming anthropomorphic, the card will exude a bright aura that only Homies can see

In addition to stealing and using the souls of other people, the user may manifest their own soul into living fragments called Incarnations, which come in the form of roughly human-sized, dark, somewhat humanoid blobs, which possess limited sentience and can absorb people's souls as well


Passives:

  • Unnatural Life Force- Due to having such a powerful soul, the user is incredibly resilient and brimming with life +1 durability-t3
  • Me and the Gals-The user is able to sprout incarnations in the exact shape and dimensions of themselves. These incarnations have attributes based off the user's and will become weaker the more that are created.
    1=Same attributes as the user
    2-3= same attributes as the user -1
    4-5=Same attributes as the user -2
    The number able to be created is based on the tier of the user (t1-1,t2-3,t3-5). each one created costs 20 stamina with no upkeep. Dissolve when destroyed or at the end of the topic. -t2

    Limit these to tier 3 maximum. Your not going to get incarnations split from your soul that are of the same attribute, given that they have only ever been shown once and only shown having to directly touch a person to grasp their soul. They will follow the NPC attribute information, prioritizing solely in your main while the others are classified as non priority and you may make four in total regardless of tier
  • Man eater- Things with souls that the user touches will have a  small amount of their life force drained each time they do so, causing a loss of 10% of their stamina pool which will be then transferred to the user. This also applies to incarnations. -t2


(Link to purchase of passives)
Skillset Strengths:

  • -User can create incarnations
  • -User can create homies
  • -User is able to physically touch and target the souls of others and damage them, making their skills go off a target's internal durability.not really a power of the fruit as shown, the fruit isnt capable of physically damaging the soul but simply taking portions which canonly has no damaging no pain inducing capabilities in the slightest
  • - Since the user can attack the soul of things, this allows them to to bypass things usually immune to physical touch and strikes such as logia intangibility. Denied, same reason as before, you may take souls from logias and even call forth their soul aura [which is what ima call it] to come around them, but you can't cause physical damage to them due to it not being a power of the fruit

Skillset Weaknesses:

  • -Those with soul affecting powers such as the yomi yomi can harm homies and do +1 damage to them- note this +1 does not extend homies created from the user's own powerful soul.
  • -User cannot place souls into people-living or dead
  • -User is unable to use techniques, such as "Soul Pocus," which "draw out" the soul if the target does not fear death or them
  • -Those with a piece of the user's Vivre card can control the homies if the user is not around in the topic- this does not apply to homies created from the user's own soul
  • -While homies listen to and obey the user, they possess their own personalities and can naturally be persuaded to disobey them, to an extent

Notes:

Incarnations:

Incarnations are pieces of the user's own powerful soul. Incarnations can come in varying shapes and sizes and usually take on human sized dimensions. Similar to the user, incarnations will have attributes which will equate to the tier of the skill used to create them unless stated otherwise and their attribute would all be categorized as non-prioritized (EX: a t4 incarnation skill would create incarnations with the attributes of a t4 character). The user's mind is linked to the incarnations, allowing them to know anything the incarnations do.

Incarnations are able to use any techniques the user possess that concern making contact with souls or implanting them for half the stamina cost, this is limited to t4 and below skills however.  Being made of actual life fore, incarnations have the ability to exist after threads they were created and break away from the user. They must remain on the same island as the user however or they will instantly fade away. User must constantly pay the stamina cost to keep the incarnations present and can force them to fade away at anytime. ]

Stated in your passive, tier 3 maximum, etc etc

"Drawing Out" the Soul :

The eater of the soru soru is able to "draw out" the soul of things with their abilities. This takes the form of a spectral wavy shroud that is light colored around a person which can only be seen by the user and physically touched by them. Different techniques will cause more of this substance to be drawn out than others. Once drawn out, the user can touch and absorb the substance, the amount of years taken will depend on the technique. The taking of life span will be measured in percentages, with each person having a total of 100% life force. Different techniques will take different percentages.


Once taken, this life force is instantly absorbed into the user and can be used to create homies. The user can store an infinite amount of additional life force within themselves thanks to their powerful soul. If the user dies, the life force will return to the original owners.

In order to draw out the soul of something that thing must either fear death or the user. On the site, to completely not fear the user it will be measured by comparing total ep, meaning if a person has a higher total ep than the user they will not have any inkling of fear. They must also have absolutely no fear of death (meaning it specifically says such in their character app and they cannot just conveniently feel no fear of death in that certain moment in order to cheese out of it).

If the user dies, all soul portions they have taken will be returned to their original hosts. If the user is knocked out, only soul portions currently absorbed within her body are returned.

Homies:

Homies are the results of infusing animals, plants, or other objects with soul fragments. This process gives homies life and the ability to talk and act like humans. Almost anything can become a homie, with the exception of corpses, humans, or purely liquid material, so their appearances can be incredibly varied. Any inanimate object imaginable can become a Homie after having a piece of a soul infused into it regardless of shape, size, or tangibility- this extends to even material created from other devil fruits.

The main change for non-animal homies infused with human souls is that they gain the ability to move around on their own along with a cartoonist style face, with some going as far as to gain limbs or change basic structure/shape. Animals who are infused with human souls gain human-like attributes, such as talking, standing up-right and wearing clothes, which make them resemble members of the Mink Tribe. However, they cannot use Electro and animal-type homies can be mammals, reptiles, amphibians, or birds while minks are limited to mammalian animals. Despite being created from a devil fruit, homies are not affected by seawater or sea stone. Homies cannot ingest devil fruits or use haki, but can be imbued with the user's haki or the person's soul which they were born from. They can be attached with dials.

Upon death, the homie's facial structure loses its eyes, leaving them empty sockets. If the face is attached back together, the homie would be brought back to life. When a Homie dies the portion of their soul returns to the eater of the Soru Soru. If the eater of the soru soru dies all souls stolen return to their original owners, causing all homies to also die.

Homies can naturally sense the eater of the soru soru if they are on the same island as them, as well as those who hold a vivre card with a portion of the user's soul within it.

For the site, Homies will function similarly to pets and will start at the tier of the person's soul they were born from. They work on the same attribute system as pets, with only one primary attribute and no secondary, however they are not stopped from growing after t4 like pets.  

Homies have ep pools similar to pets and automatically start at the lowest total ep for their tier. Homies do not need to apply for tier up and automatically do once reaching the next total ep. They can never reach a higher tier than the user of the soru soru.

Homies may only have one skill set and each Tier may only have three skills each, with the exception of Tier 5 which only has 2 Skills and T6 with can have one 1. They cannot have more skills bought for them. Note that homies created from a devil fruit skill will be able to use the skills of that devil fruit skill set up to their tier at the time of their creation in addition to their own skills.  

Stamina pools for Homies are the same as pets as are their costs for using skills.Note that they are eligible for rest stamina benefits.  

All homies have special attributes which usually have to do with the object or animal they were born from. Homies have a number special characteristics that relate to what they are born from, having 1 at tier 1, another at tier 3, and another at t5. Unlike pets however, Homies also have the ability to have an additional 2 out of the ordinary characteristics such as pudding's carpet Rabiyan having the ability to fly. Homies gain these special characteristics at t1 and gain another at t4.

Homies created from the user's own powerful soul are considered "special homies". They automatically start at the same tier as the user and naturally tier up as they do. These homies are able to possess a secondary attribute and not only posses their own stamina pools, but are able to draw stamina from the user's pool. Special homies can be summoned to the user's side instantly at will. The user is also able to buy them additional skills. Special homies are gifted with an additional special characteristic. The user can only posses a certain number of special homies depending on their tier.
t1-1
t3-2
t5-3
t6-4

The user can bring as many homies as they want into a topic but their total tier cannot exceed 13.

Wow this is alot, so you want the benefits of the pets for homies, plus additional benefits, plus the beast master occupation speciality. So no. First off, making homies you can use the pet system and they will abide by said system. Much easier than the npc system, they can not tier up. They will remain the same tier as they are created, depending on the tier of skill used to crate them or in this case it could even be the tier of whicever character you gained the soul from dependant on the amount of "soul" taken and used. As you have a percentage system, if you take a tier 5 characters soul 100% you can make said homie tier 5, if you take 75% tier 4, 50% tier 3, 25% tier 2 and 5% tier 1. Im fine with you also having "grunt" homies that arent really anything special and wont have any combat capability etc. I'll give you the not exceeding tier level 10, seems more fitting.
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11 Re: The Worst Soul on Fri Sep 15, 2017 7:03 pm

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OKAY SOOOOOOOOO WE DOIN THIS 3 WAY STYLE NOW? (QQ not cool guyz)

SO first I'll respond to all of sabo's unless Rain posts something about the same thing.

Edited everything except the bs requirement of forcing "speaking to the soul" to interact with it.

Sabo wrote:They have to fear it when you try to take their soul. So if they for some reason don't fear death when you had started talking to their soul, you wouldn't be able to take it.

Does the girl getting her soul taken by an incarnation look like she is in fear at all to you?? I will agree to needing fear to draw the soul out but that doesn't limit physical interaction. Again, the incarnation also doesn't say ANYTHING in order to "talk to the soul."

Stupid wrote:They are part of your soul and don't hold the same amount of power as you do. So they won't be able to do everything that you can do. As they haven't been shown to be used in that way at all. You aren't making perfect copies of yourself.

Uh wut, there was nothing said about them doing the same thing as me wtf are you talking about? This is about the fact you are trying to severely limit physical soul interaction even though it's been shown through the incarnations that speaking is not a prerequisite for all interactions. No one said they were perfect copies and I honestly have no idea what you are even going on about.

Speaking to the soul draws a soul out of the body-it is not a prerequisite to all interactions with souls- which is again, the BASICS, of the fruit. You literally see incarnations pull portions of souls and interact with souls and they are not saying a single thing in my skill set pictures. I will agree to needed to "speak to souls" to draw them out as the energy around a body to grab, but it's shown in the manga that speaking to the soul is not needed to simply physically grab a person within and touch it, so I'm not going to severely limit the capabilities of this fruit (which is again summed up as soul interaction).  

NOW ON TO THE OTHER SHIT....

Edited everything Except:

Rain wrote:Stated in your passive, tier 3 maximum, etc etc

Kind confused by this. So are you saying you want all incarnations always limited to t3?? That wouldn't really make sense if I like say used a t4 skill that involved incarnation creation and so on seeing as that would be far more energy and power used in creation in comparison to the passive.

Gay wrote:Wow this is alot, so you want the benefits of the pets for homies, plus additional benefits, plus the beast master occupation speciality. So no. First off, making homies you can use the pet system and they will abide by said system. Much easier than the npc system, they can not tier up. They will remain the same tier as they are created, depending on the tier of skill used to crate them or in this case it could even be the tier of whicever character you gained the soul from dependant on the amount of "soul" taken and used. As you have a percentage system, if you take a tier 5 characters soul 100% you can make said homie tier 5, if you take 75% tier 4, 50% tier 3, 25% tier 2 and 5% tier 1. Im fine with you also having "grunt" homies that arent really anything special and wont have any combat capability etc. I'll give you the not exceeding tier level 10, seems more fitting.

Yea I already had it based off the beast system, obviously I had to change things because homies aren't "regular" beasts and therefore had additional aspects and capabilities that need to be accounted for. Not trying to be a beast master, it's a literally a race creation fruit loml which finds strength in numbers through creating homies. Not really my fault that a canon fruit does something a non canon occupation does. I can always base them off npcs otherwise Smile

I'm fine with no the tier ups, barring homies created from the user's own soul seeing as they are constantly linked to the user and essentially "are" them, but I'm not really understanding your percentage amounts as they don't really compare to the canon. Big mom has at least 3 homies created from her own soul and each one is at least as strong as her if not maybe a single tier below and she still has plenty of soul to create incarnations and so on, so I certainly wouldn't say you need a 100% of a person's soul to create a homie of the same tier. That also really wouldn't make sense if I say took 10% of a t1 char's soul, would I create t0 homie then, etc? Maybe have a certain percentage overall of a person's soul need to be taken to create a homie from it, like say 25-30%?

As for the limiting the total to tier 10 but would like a special clause for special homies seeing as they are linked to the user and are constantly with them and we see big mom literally running around with at least 3 homies at all times. If the user gets to like t5-t6 they like would only ever be able to bring one in lmao in which would really shit on one of the main focuses of the fruit which are the homies. Maybe have the count as half their tier rounding up- so a t4 special homie would count as t2 for the limit and so on.

FINALLY I added in a re-call system for reabsorbing homies in as well cause I forgot about it.


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12 Re: The Worst Soul on Wed Sep 20, 2017 4:57 am

Venus wrote:OKAY SOOOOOOOOO WE DOIN THIS 3 WAY STYLE NOW? (QQ not cool guyz)

SO first I'll respond to all of sabo's unless Rain posts something about the same thing.

Edited everything except the bs requirement of forcing "speaking to the soul" to interact with it.

Sabo wrote:They have to fear it when you try to take their soul. So if they for some reason don't fear death when you had started talking to their soul, you wouldn't be able to take it.

Does the girl getting her soul taken by an incarnation look like she is in fear at all to you?? I will agree to needing fear to draw the soul out but that doesn't limit physical interaction. Again, the incarnation also doesn't say ANYTHING in order to "talk to the soul."

Actually your wrong, this incarnation makes a request, Move or Life,

Stupid wrote:They are part of your soul and don't hold the same amount of power as you do. So they won't be able to do everything that you can do. As they haven't been shown to be used in that way at all. You aren't making perfect copies of yourself.

Uh wut, there was nothing said about them doing the same thing as me wtf are you talking about? This is about the fact you are trying to severely limit physical soul interaction even though it's been shown through the incarnations that speaking is not a prerequisite for all interactions. No one said they were perfect copies and I honestly have no idea what you are even going on about.

Except each time they ask the same question, yes its a question to whether they wish to leave or not, but this could easily be assumed as a requirement if there is no fear, given that both staff are stating thats how we wish it to be for now, then thats the end of the story

Speaking to the soul draws a soul out of the body-it is not a prerequisite to all interactions with souls- which is again, the BASICS, of the fruit. You literally see incarnations pull portions of souls and interact with souls and they are not saying a single thing in my skill set pictures. I will agree to needed to "speak to souls" to draw them out as the energy around a body to grab, but it's shown in the manga that speaking to the soul is not needed to simply physically grab a person within and touch it, so I'm not going to severely limit the capabilities of this fruit (which is again summed up as soul interaction).  

NOW ON TO THE OTHER SHIT....

Edited everything Except:

Rain wrote:Stated in your passive, tier 3 maximum, etc etc

Kind confused by this. So are you saying you want all incarnations always limited to t3?? That wouldn't really make sense if I like say used a t4 skill that involved incarnation creation and so on seeing as that would be far more energy and power used in creation in comparison to the passive.

Sofar incarnations havent been shown to be able to do anything bar take soul through physical contact, but as your going through skill use, I'll wait for the "skills" to be created before passing judement to see how you try to op it

Gay wrote:Wow this is alot, so you want the benefits of the pets for homies, plus additional benefits, plus the beast master occupation speciality. So no. First off, making homies you can use the pet system and they will abide by said system. Much easier than the npc system, they can not tier up. They will remain the same tier as they are created, depending on the tier of skill used to crate them or in this case it could even be the tier of whicever character you gained the soul from dependant on the amount of "soul" taken and used. As you have a percentage system, if you take a tier 5 characters soul 100% you can make said homie tier 5, if you take 75% tier 4, 50% tier 3, 25% tier 2 and 5% tier 1. Im fine with you also having "grunt" homies that arent really anything special and wont have any combat capability etc. I'll give you the not exceeding tier level 10, seems more fitting.

Yea I already had it based off the beast system, obviously I had to change things because homies aren't "regular" beasts and therefore had additional aspects and capabilities that need to be accounted for. Not trying to be a beast master, it's a literally a race creation fruit loml which finds strength in numbers through creating homies. Not really my fault that a canon fruit does something a non canon occupation does. I can always base them off npcs otherwise Smile

I'm fine with no the tier ups, barring homies created from the user's own soul seeing as they are constantly linked to the user and essentially "are" them, but I'm not really understanding your percentage amounts as they don't really compare to the canon. Big mom has at least 3 homies created from her own soul and each one is at least as strong as her if not maybe a single tier below and she still has plenty of soul to create incarnations and so on, so I certainly wouldn't say you need a 100% of a person's soul to create a homie of the same tier. That also really wouldn't make sense if I say took 10% of a t1 char's soul, would I create t0 homie then, etc? Maybe have a certain percentage overall of a person's soul need to be taken to create a homie from it, like say 25-30%?



As for the limiting the total to tier 10 but would like a special clause for special homies seeing as they are linked to the user and are constantly with them and we see big mom literally running around with at least 3 homies at all times. If the user gets to like t5-t6 they like would only ever be able to bring one in lmao in which would really shit on one of the main focuses of the fruit which are the homies. Maybe have the count as half their tier rounding up- so a t4 special homie would count as t2 for the limit and so on.

FINALLY I added in a re-call system for reabsorbing homies in as well cause I forgot about it.

Except this isnt the cannon and unlike in the manga, within the rp world we have to keep things as balanced as possible which seems to be the part you and many others continue to forget, the whole "BUT IZ CANON" or "IT DUN MAKE SENZE LOOK AT DUH CANNON" doesnt fly here, otherwise we would have Pika pika flying through the speed of light OHKOing the entire world, the percentages are as such. Not to mention weve only really seen grunt type homies bar big moms souls and so far they havent really been tier 4-5 material either. There is also no reason nor any information that backs up your statements of the special homies being linked to the user, they can't telepathically speak, the user can't suddenly know whats going on by looking through the eyes of these homies and what not, nothing like that so they wouldnt be spared from the no tier up, they don't grow with the user, none of that.

Homies created from the user's own powerful soul are considered "special homies". They automatically start at the same tier as the user and naturally tier up as they do. These homies are able to possess a secondary attribute and not only posses their own stamina pools, but are able to draw stamina from the user's pool. Special homies can be summoned to the user's side instantly at will. Special homies are gifted with an additional special characteristic. The user can only posses a certain number of special homies depending on their tier.
t1-1
t3-2
t5-3
t6-4


So the whole "Drawing out of the users pool, gotta go, the second attribute, gotta go, the part about starting at the same tier as the user, gotta go seeing as that would depend on skill use. I'll boost the limit to 12, that would allow a potential of TWO tier 6's, thats it though,

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13 Re: The Worst Soul on Thu Sep 21, 2017 9:46 pm

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Bleh fine w.e to "speaking" requirement

Spell Check wrote:Sofar incarnations havent been shown to be able to do anything bar take soul through physical contact, but as your going through skill use, I'll wait for the "skills" to be created before passing judement to see how you try to op it

Wrong they also spread the souls around to make homiez on the island silly goose. Buh then again when has anyone tried to branch off of a canon fruit based on speculation..lLike spiritual horu horu bullet sized ghosts that somehow stay within a gun and can be fired by them

Wtf wrote:
Except this isnt the cannon and unlike in the manga, within the rp world we have to keep things as balanced as possible which seems to be the part you and many others continue to forget, the whole "BUT IZ CANON" or "IT DUN MAKE SENZE LOOK AT DUH CANNON" doesnt fly here, otherwise we would have Pika pika flying through the speed of light OHKOing the entire world, the percentages are as such. Not to mention weve only really seen grunt type homies bar big moms souls and so far they havent really been tier 4-5 material either. There is also no reason nor any information that backs up your statements of the special homies being linked to the user, they can't telepathically speak, the user can't suddenly know whats going on by looking through the eyes of these homies and what not, nothing like that so they wouldnt be spared from the no tier up, they don't grow with the user, none of that

Okay...this literally derails and makes 0 sense in so many places that I'm just gonna break down each thing and try to address as best I can

Rain wrote:Except this isnt the cannon and unlike in the manga, within the rp world we have to keep things as balanced as possible which seems to be the part you and many others continue to forget, the whole "BUT IZ CANON" or "IT DUN MAKE SENZE LOOK AT DUH CANNON" doesnt fly here, otherwise we would have Pika pika flying through the speed of light OHKOing the entire world, the percentages are as such.

First off it's an rp based off of One Piece meaning it's based off of canon. How is literally going from requiring one month of a person's life (which is the canon amount needed to make homies found in chapter 835) to a person's ENTIRE soul balanced? How does that balance it? Bringing in the pika pika also has nothing to do with my fruit at all lmao and was really random: as in how are you equating the canon amount needed to make a homie to speed tier system debates. Completely disregarding an established canon fact, and not something up for debate like logia speeds, are really different. Honestly this was pretty random and I'm not really understanding any of your argument and harsh tone in response to people trying to use the manga to justify their abilities...which come from the manga. Tbh I'm just gonna ask someone else to take over and give their opinion on it if this how it's gonna go lol cause I really don't wanna waste either of our time here.

Wrong again wrote:Not to mention weve only really seen grunt type homies bar big moms souls and so far they havent really been tier 4-5 material either.
Randolf and his goose took out an entire island for fruit

No actual evidence for the claim wrote:There is also no reason nor any information that backs up your statements of the special homies being linked to the user, they can't telepathically speak, the user can't suddenly know whats going on by looking through the eyes of these homies and what not, nothing like that so they wouldnt be spared from the no tier up, they don't grow with the user, none of that.

Well let's see here...First off they are apart of the user's soul itself, something everyone, especially the user of the soru soru is deeply connected to. Second off they are constantly referred to as being essentially big mom and share many of her personality traits IE: Zeus's gluttony. Third they are able to be summoned from WHEREVER by Big mom at a moments notice which would require some sort of bond. Finally, specials homies, heck all homies, can sense the user's soul you don't seen that requirement any implication of link whatsoever. There is an incredible amount of points and information that back a connection requirement I'm honestly not understanding how don't see that seeing as you've offered no information or proof why the wouldn't with all these specific interactions between them, the only claims you've offered is just based on your perception that because we don't get a panel with big mom going "oh lemme just look through Zeus here hurhur" that it isn't possible whatsoever even though there's is a large amount of evidence that proves link anyways. I mean there's more signs of link then say a fruit that just randomly generates ghosts that are linked to the senses "somehow". Your responses are really just vague or unfounded most the time here.

Not to mention that Big Mom's homies have been with her since she was like 9? You really think they are still going off her strength when she was NINE, or something below that? Again you're really not making much sense at all for your incredibly harsh and demanding opinion.  

Some valid stuff but then contradiction wrote:So the whole "Drawing out of the users pool, gotta go, the second attribute, gotta go, the part about starting at the same tier as the user, gotta go seeing as that would depend on skill use. I'll boost the limit to 12, that would allow a potential of TWO tier 6's, thats it though,

Took out the stamina and second attribute. I'm confused on what you mean about skill use when you just were trying to force me to go with your percentage system above? Are you trying to tell me I need both a certain tiered skill and the percentage of life? It seems pretty contradictory to your above claim and like many of your comments very vague and confusing. Honestly if this is how it's gonna keep going I'm just gonna request someone else take over with their opinion to make this go more fair and smoother with less passive aggression.


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14 Re: The Worst Soul on Sun Sep 24, 2017 1:21 pm

Venus wrote:Bleh fine w.e to "speaking" requirement

Spell Check wrote:Sofar incarnations havent been shown to be able to do anything bar take soul through physical contact, but as your going through skill use, I'll wait for the "skills" to be created before passing judement to see how you try to op it

Wrong they also spread the souls around to make homiez on the island silly goose. Buh then again when has anyone tried to branch off of a canon fruit based on speculation..lLike spiritual horu horu bullet sized ghosts that somehow stay within a gun and can be fired by them

If you check this, they place their souls gained in to a basket before sprinkling, thats it, thats all they have done. Theres branching out then theres trying to get too much as you usually do.
In reference to my horo horo, its shown the Toku can be manipulated in size , its shown they can be tangible and its shown they can explode upon command, so i mean all my stuff is basic given from the fruit, yours is attempted mass addition, but k


Wtf wrote:
Except this isnt the cannon and unlike in the manga, within the rp world we have to keep things as balanced as possible which seems to be the part you and many others continue to forget, the whole "BUT IZ CANON" or "IT DUN MAKE SENZE LOOK AT DUH CANNON" doesnt fly here, otherwise we would have Pika pika flying through the speed of light OHKOing the entire world, the percentages are as such. Not to mention weve only really seen grunt type homies bar big moms souls and so far they havent really been tier 4-5 material either. There is also no reason nor any information that backs up your statements of the special homies being linked to the user, they can't telepathically speak, the user can't suddenly know whats going on by looking through the eyes of these homies and what not, nothing like that so they wouldnt be spared from the no tier up, they don't grow with the user, none of that

Okay...this literally derails and makes 0 sense in so many places that I'm just gonna break down each thing and try to address as best I can

Rain wrote:Except this isnt the cannon and unlike in the manga, within the rp world we have to keep things as balanced as possible which seems to be the part you and many others continue to forget, the whole "BUT IZ CANON" or "IT DUN MAKE SENZE LOOK AT DUH CANNON" doesnt fly here, otherwise we would have Pika pika flying through the speed of light OHKOing the entire world, the percentages are as such.

First off it's an rp based off of One Piece meaning it's based off of canon. How is literally going from requiring one month of a person's life (which is the canon amount needed to make homies found in chapter 835) to a person's ENTIRE soul balanced? How does that balance it? Bringing in the pika pika also has nothing to do with my fruit at all lmao and was really random: as in how are you equating the canon amount needed to make a homie to speed tier system debates. Completely disregarding an established canon fact, and not something up for debate like logia speeds, are really different. Honestly this was pretty random and I'm not really understanding any of your argument and harsh tone in response to people trying to use the manga to justify their abilities...which come from the manga. Tbh I'm just gonna ask someone else to take over and give their opinion on it if this how it's gonna go lol cause I really don't wanna waste either of our time here.


Except your biggest problem is you don't attempt to balance for an rp environment and expect to be able to do everything seen in the manga instantly without any balance, which as you can see, isn't exactly how things work here, this has been the major issue with pretty much every skill set you attempt and regardless of the mod or admin modding you deem it fit to argue and argue with the manga as your main cause, in reference to the Pika, it directly fits. It is the best fruit example that we have in which on this site we don't allow it to follow the manga. I get that in the manga this fruit lets you just take a month of a soul, and bam creates a homie. So far every homie we have seen bar big moms specials are fodder
Wrong again wrote:Not to mention weve only really seen grunt type homies bar big moms souls and so far they havent really been tier 4-5 material either.
Randolf and his goose took out an entire island for fruit

Look at the percentages i offered as an "amount" the higher the percentage the stronger the homie, 1 month homies weve pretty much seen from the sprinkles are nothing more than useless fodder, i'd speculate [speculate i know its not fact] that Randolph was potentially made with either a stronger/bigger soul gained from an ammount of time, look at the percentages as that, or by all means even see this and think ok, i get it but i don't think percentages work, how about [offer idea]

No actual evidence for the claim wrote:There is also no reason nor any information that backs up your statements of the special homies being linked to the user, they can't telepathically speak, the user can't suddenly know whats going on by looking through the eyes of these homies and what not, nothing like that so they wouldnt be spared from the no tier up, they don't grow with the user, none of that.

Well let's see here...First off they are apart of the user's soul itself, something everyone, especially the user of the soru soru is deeply connected to. Second off they are constantly referred to as being essentially big mom and share many of her personality traits IE: Zeus's gluttony. Third they are able to be summoned from WHEREVER by Big mom at a moments notice which would require some sort of bond. Finally, specials homies, heck all homies, can sense the user's soul you don't seen that requirement any implication of link whatsoever. There is an incredible amount of points and information that back a connection requirement I'm honestly not understanding how don't see that seeing as you've offered no information or proof why the wouldn't with all these specific interactions between them, the only claims you've offered is just based on your perception that because we don't get a panel with big mom going "oh lemme just look through Zeus here hurhur" that it isn't possible whatsoever even though there's is a large amount of evidence that proves link anyways. I mean there's more signs of link then say a fruit that just randomly generates ghosts that are linked to the senses "somehow". Your responses are really just vague or unfounded most the time here.

Not to mention that Big Mom's homies have been with her since she was like 9? You really think they are still going off her strength when she was NINE, or something below that? Again you're really not making much sense at all for your incredibly harsh and demanding opinion.  

Except you once again have no evidence, your speculating like me with the homies, I don't mind you being able to call your homies from over an entire island, but theres no connection, plain and simple. Big mom controls soul thus there is the major potential reason that she can summon them. PLain and potentially simple. I also have no issue with them having their own stamina pool, not sure why you think that going by your statement. but they won't be sharing the users, not will they be sharing this "imaginary link", plain and simple really

Some valid stuff but then contradiction wrote:So the whole "Drawing out of the users pool, gotta go, the second attribute, gotta go, the part about starting at the same tier as the user, gotta go seeing as that would depend on skill use. I'll boost the limit to 12, that would allow a potential of TWO tier 6's, thats it though,

Took out the stamina and second attribute. I'm confused on what you mean about skill use when you just were trying to force me to go with your percentage system above? Are you trying to tell me I need both a certain tiered skill and the percentage of life? It seems pretty contradictory to your above claim and like many of your comments very vague and confusing. Honestly if this is how it's gonna keep going I'm just gonna request someone else take over with their opinion to make this go more fair and smoother with less passive aggression.

That was my bad, i thought i had stated this was in relation to your "special" homies, the ones created via your own soul and not created by others, given that im not expecting you too kill yourself to create homes made by your own soul. You can request it sure, but more than likely same issues gonna happen, no one wants to grade your stuff because your far too difficult for people too deal with and want far too much without balancing, hana hana was a perfect example and thus people stay away from your skill sets.
Its rather simple really, im simply trying to help you get your skill set approved, if you feel the need to try to down everything i say based on the sole reason of "you want it this way so i'l have it god dammit" then thats your perogative, i can tell you though its highly unlikely your skill set will see the light of day with all the special extras you want added in. Im totally open to working with you which is what im attempting to do if you simply let your arrogance and "I know best" attitude down and simply worked together instead of against staff.

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15 Re: The Worst Soul on Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:31 pm

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Apostrophes are your friend wrote:If you check this, they place their souls gained in to a basket before sprinkling, thats it, thats all they have done. Theres branching out then theres trying to get too much as you usually do.
In reference to my horo horo, its shown the Toku can be manipulated in size , its shown they can be tangible and its shown they can explode upon command, so i mean all my stuff is basic given from the fruit, yours is attempted mass addition, but k

"Sprinkling them around" still involves placing the souls in things loml. Souls pieces are not physical things to anything besides the soru soru user, yomi yomi user, and incarnations. Mass addition? How so? I literally do not have any other abilities for the incarnations present at this time besides detailing what they do and fitting them into a system. I'd say mine is far more basic than your reaching with "tangible ghost bullets that are able to be fired by guns." Again a baseless, vindictive, claim. You should work on that.


Again...wut wrote:Except your biggest problem is you don't attempt to balance for an rp environment and expect to be able to do everything seen in the manga instantly without any balance, which as you can see, isn't exactly how things work here, this has been the major issue with pretty much every skill set you attempt and regardless of the mod or admin modding you deem it fit to argue and argue with the manga as your main cause, in reference to the Pika, it directly fits. It is the best fruit example that we have in which on this site we don't allow it to follow the manga. I get that in the manga this fruit lets you just take a month of a soul, and bam creates a homie. So far every homie we have seen bar big moms specials are fodder

I mean isn't that wut u did with insta gaining horo horo flight Anyways, the only skillsets of mine that take very long to get approved are the ones you seem to post on. Hie hie (which I made in the time Poncho decided you shouldn't be staff) was approved in two days off the bat and only later got recalled due to an argument on one passive. You're problem is that you attempt to nerf things that you personally can't have far passed "balance" and other will attest to that. Pika doesn't fit because it was a debate around it's speed, which has seen to be matched by people like Zephyr and Reyliegh- it's something not clearly defined. Home creation on the other is clearly and specifically defined for us. Moving from one month to a person's ENTIRE life is not balanced "plain and simple."

Sweet sweet contradiction wrote:Look at the percentages i offered as an "amount" the higher the percentage the stronger the homie, 1 month homies weve pretty much seen from the sprinkles are nothing more than useless fodder, i'd speculate [speculate i know its not fact] that Randolph was potentially made with either a stronger/bigger soul gained from an ammount of time, look at the percentages as that, or by all means even see this and think ok, i get it but i don't think percentages work, how about [offer idea]

Buh didn't you just say all other homies besides big mom were fodder but then speculate that Randolf who I've shown is not fodder isn't for some bs speculation
As I see it I'm the only one basing homie creation off of actual evidence when all you are doing is speculating. We have a canon given amount given-there has not been one thing mentioned about needing "stronger souls" for different homies. I did also offer an idea that you simply shot down with no discussion. I said a certain percentage was needed of a person's soul to make a homie of that tier, I proposed 15-25% of a soul needed to create a homie of equal tier to the soul, far more than what one month would be considered, and you just ignored and said your way. Your system of needing different percentages doesn't work because and is a complete nerf as it requires me to kill a person to get a homie of that tier which has never been shown to be the case- not to mention what happens when I take 50% of a t1 char's soul or something? T0 homies? That's stupid and ridiculous. That's another one of your problems you don't discuss with people you simply go "no, no, no my way" and argue you're right on other people's shit instead of discussing. Hi pot, I'm kettle, your black.

PlAin aNd SiMpLe wrote:Except you once again have no evidence, your speculating like me with the homies, I don't mind you being able to call your homies from over an entire island, but theres no connection, plain and simple. Big mom controls soul thus there is the major potential reason that she can summon them. PLain and potentially simple. I also have no issue with them having their own stamina pool, not sure why you think that going by your statement. but they won't be sharing the users, not will they be sharing this "imaginary link", plain and simple really

You're the one here with literally no evidence lol you haven't given any as to why there is none when I've supplied a number of things showing a connection. They are able to sense the user, be summoned by the user, and share their personality as they are said to be the user. ALL of that shows a connection to the user. If you are honestly just gonna keep this dismissive and argumentative tone then I'm calling for Bean or Sabo to chime on this issue cause this is going no where. I also do not have an issue with the stamina pool what are you talking about lol? My argument was that you think that homies do not tier up even though Big Mom has been shown to have Zeus and Prometheus since she was 9 years old. It is ridiculous to think that they are going off her tier and strength when she was nine, this has nothing to do with stamina pools lmao- plain and simple Smile

The pot wrote:That was my bad, i thought i had stated this was in relation to your "special" homies, the ones created via your own soul and not created by others, given that im not expecting you too kill yourself to create homes made by your own soul. You can request it sure, but more than likely same issues gonna happen, no one wants to grade your stuff because your far too difficult for people too deal with and want far too much without balancing, hana hana was a perfect example and thus people stay away from your skill sets.
Its rather simple really, im simply trying to help you get your skill set approved, if you feel the need to try to down everything i say based on the sole reason of "you want it this way so i'l have it god dammit" then thats your perogative, i can tell you though its highly unlikely your skill set will see the light of day with all the special extras you want added in. Im totally open to working with you which is what im attempting to do if you simply let your arrogance and "I know best" attitude down and simply worked together instead of against staff.

Soooooooo instead of having an overall homie creation system that works for all homies you instead want me to make a system for regular homies that goes far beyond canon requirements, is a huge nerf, and creates a bunch of t0 homie instances, along with then needing to use my skill slots to create specific skills that create special homies so it doesn't ruin that flawed system. Because that is balances, less work, and not confusing at all right? Like you can't seriously view that as balanced right? Hey I know I'm head strong but even I admit when I'm wrong when evidence is supplied and I do work with staff on many occasions- such as hie hie or back with the mero mero. The only time things seem to get backed up is when you start posting on them. I think you are the one who needs to let their arrogance and "I know best" attitude down because all you've given me is flawed reasoning and arguments with very little, if any, back up support and evidence besides your own speculations and opinions which you just keep pushing without discussing- I am fine with working with you but not until you actually are open to discussion and not just out to nerf any skillset that you can't have or that isn't your own, like a grader should.


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Apostrophes are your friend wrote:If you check this, they place their souls gained in to a basket before sprinkling, thats it, thats all they have done. Theres branching out then theres trying to get too much as you usually do.
In reference to my horo horo, its shown the Toku can be manipulated in size , its shown they can be tangible and its shown they can explode upon command, so i mean all my stuff is basic given from the fruit, yours is attempted mass addition, but k

"Sprinkling them around" still involves placing the souls in things loml. Souls pieces are not physical things to anything besides the soru soru user, yomi yomi user, and incarnations. Mass addition? How so? I literally do not have any other abilities for the incarnations present at this time besides detailing what they do and fitting them into a system. I'd say mine is far more basic than your reaching with "tangible ghost bullets that are able to be fired by guns." Again a baseless, vindictive, claim. You should work on that.

You like to bring my tangible bullets in to this disregarding the fact that she creates actual tangible ghosts. given that and i quote

Incarnations are able to use any techniques the user possess that concern making contact with souls or implanting them for half the stamina cost, this is limited to t4 and below skills however.

This being the original statement of your incarnations, allowing any and all tier 4 or lower skills that revolve around contact with souls. Given that originally you tried to app soul damage or something, this is where the problem stemmed from with your incarnations.

Given http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/835/18

The explanation here, it can be believed that on the island those homies seen freely wondering around are all homies created with a mere month of a soul, [weaklings].



Again...wut wrote:Except your biggest problem is you don't attempt to balance for an rp environment and expect to be able to do everything seen in the manga instantly without any balance, which as you can see, isn't exactly how things work here, this has been the major issue with pretty much every skill set you attempt and regardless of the mod or admin modding you deem it fit to argue and argue with the manga as your main cause, in reference to the Pika, it directly fits. It is the best fruit example that we have in which on this site we don't allow it to follow the manga. I get that in the manga this fruit lets you just take a month of a soul, and bam creates a homie. So far every homie we have seen bar big moms specials are fodder

I mean isn't that wut u did with insta gaining horo horo flight

Technically in a way, though supplementary abilities are actualy what passives where intended to be, not actual skills like some passives like creating things for instance

Anyways, the only skillsets of mine that take very long to get approved are the ones you seem to post on. Hie hie (which I made in the time Poncho decided you shouldn't be staff) funnily enough also the only skill set that poncho didn't actually grade either, funny that was approved in two days off the bat and only later got recalled due to an argument on one passive. and ended up needing more than just that passive adjusted going by kincaids edits You're problem is that you attempt to nerf things that you personally can't have far passed "balance" and other will attest to that. Pika doesn't fit because it was a debate around it's speed, which has seen to be matched by people like Zephyr and Reyliegh-

except even the canon stated Kizaru wasn't going at full speed, that lazy personality gets the fast ones everytime. though as attested it does allow him at full power to hit the speed of light, something we would never allow here, thus the point does in the end stand it's something not clearly defined. Home creation on the other is clearly and specifically defined for us. Moving from one month to a person's ENTIRE life is not balanced "plain and simple."

Given that all the homes weve seen, the explanation above minus randolph who your right i completely forgot about, have been nothing but mere fodder in all shapes and forms, given by the evidence in the link it does seem to support that a small portion doesnt allow for very much power

Sweet sweet contradiction wrote:Look at the percentages i offered as an "amount" the higher the percentage the stronger the homie, 1 month homies weve pretty much seen from the sprinkles are nothing more than useless fodder, i'd speculate [speculate i know its not fact] that Randolph was potentially made with either a stronger/bigger soul gained from an ammount of time, look at the percentages as that, or by all means even see this and think ok, i get it but i don't think percentages work, how about [offer idea]


Buh didn't you just say all other homies besides big mom were fodder but then speculate that Randolf who I've shown is not fodder isn't for some bs speculation


Well actually Randolph didnt destroy an island as you stated before, only island guards, he was easily dispatched by carrot so he could kinda still be seen as fodder though superior to the one month homies that we have certainly seen. basing this, im still not sold on taking a tiny piece of somoeones soul and then bam having their full tier

As I see it I'm the only one basing homie creation off of actual evidence when all you are doing is speculating. We have a canon given amount given-there has not been one thing mentioned about needing "stronger souls" for different homies. I did also offer an idea that you simply shot down with no discussion. I said a certain percentage was needed of a person's soul to make a homie of that tier, I proposed 15-25% of a soul needed to create a homie of equal tier to the soul, far more than what one month would be considered, and you just ignored and said your way. Your system of needing different percentages doesn't work because and is a complete nerf as it requires me to kill a person to get a homie of that tier which has never been shown to be the case

None of big moms homies are on her own tier, even those are completely under her, you seem to believe that the smallest amount of soul frgaments means great untold power for those put in, which as you can see is not the case,

- not to mention what happens when I take 50% of a t1 char's soul or something? T0 homies? That's stupid and ridiculous. That's another one of your problems you don't discuss with people you simply go "no, no, no my way" and argue you're right on other people's shit instead of discussing. Hi pot, I'm kettle, your black.

PlAin aNd SiMpLe wrote:Except you once again have no evidence, your speculating like me with the homies, I don't mind you being able to call your homies from over an entire island, but theres no connection, plain and simple. Big mom controls soul thus there is the major potential reason that she can summon them. PLain and potentially simple. I also have no issue with them having their own stamina pool, not sure why you think that going by your statement. but they won't be sharing the users, not will they be sharing this "imaginary link", plain and simple really

You're the one here with literally no evidence lol you haven't given any as to why there is none when I've supplied a number of things showing a connection. They are able to sense the user, be summoned by the user, and share their personality as they are said to be the user. ALL of that shows a connection to the user. If you are honestly just gonna keep this dismissive and argumentative tone then I'm calling for Bean or Sabo to chime on this issue cause this is going no where. I also do not have an issue with the stamina pool what are you talking about lol? My argument was that you think that homies do not tier up even though Big Mom has been shown to have Zeus and Prometheus since she was 9 years old. It is ridiculous to think that they are going off her tier and strength when she was nine, this has nothing to do with stamina pools lmao- plain and simple Smile

The only issue i had with stamina pools in relation to your special homies was

These homies are able to possess a secondary attribute and not only posses their own stamina pools, but are able to draw stamina from the user's pool.


With the removal of that line that was the end of it, hence my confusion when you returned to bringing the stamina back up, they will still not "tier up" with you, simple as that, you wont be creating "special homies" that are suddenly exactly the same tier as you, big moms homies are not on the same level as she is and that is easily shown. They are superior to other homies thats for sure, but they are certainly not yonko level entities. If you want special homies to tier up, if your dead set on it, then to tier them up, you can use the pet rules for experience and tier them up this way. Having to actually use the homies to gain their tier ups.


The pot wrote:That was my bad, i thought i had stated this was in relation to your "special" homies, the ones created via your own soul and not created by others, given that im not expecting you too kill yourself to create homes made by your own soul. You can request it sure, but more than likely same issues gonna happen, no one wants to grade your stuff because your far too difficult for people too deal with and want far too much without balancing, hana hana was a perfect example and thus people stay away from your skill sets.
Its rather simple really, im simply trying to help you get your skill set approved, if you feel the need to try to down everything i say based on the sole reason of "you want it this way so i'l have it god dammit" then thats your perogative, i can tell you though its highly unlikely your skill set will see the light of day with all the special extras you want added in. Im totally open to working with you which is what im attempting to do if you simply let your arrogance and "I know best" attitude down and simply worked together instead of against staff.

Soooooooo instead of having an overall homie creation system that works for all homies you instead want me to make a system for regular homies that goes far beyond canon requirements, is a huge nerf, and creates a bunch of t0 homie instances, along with then needing to use my skill slots to create specific skills that create special homies so it doesn't ruin that flawed system. Because that is balances, less work, and not confusing at all right? Like you can't seriously view that as balanced right?

If you read, this thread, you will see that its you that puts a large distinciton on normal homies and special homies, they are two different things it seems. So yes, i'd like them to be seperated, from using other peoples souls - using your own soul to create even stronger creatures that have unique and stronger capabilities and functions

Hey I know I'm head strong but even I admit when I'm wrong when evidence is supplied and I do work with staff on many occasions- such as hie hie or back with the mero mero. The only time things seem to get backed up is when you start posting on them.

Ugh, i was gonna make some crude comment but all the sarcasm just doesnt seem to be getting us anywhere, so heres what we are going to do, you say im ignoring you and giving no evidence while your only evidence is your word [you havent actually provided any facts that cover your additional link abilities to your homies at all, there's still zero canon fact, so im sorry but the link thing just wont be flying, but you are free to summon homies created by your own soul instantly [yes you can have insta soul teleportation, you wont be able to see through your "special" homies eyes, feel what its feeling, telepathy anything like that because currently its not a capability of the fruit if that suddenly becomes the case, then i'll gladly let you throw that in there but until then its just got to be a no.

I think you are the one who needs to let their arrogance and "I know best" attitude down because all you've given me is flawed reasoning and arguments with very little, if any, back up support and evidence besides your own speculations and opinions which you just keep pushing without discussing- I am fine with working with you but not until you actually are open to discussion and not just out to nerf any skillset that you can't have or that isn't your own, like a grader should.

Well i do know best, given that i know everything,plain and simple really not to mention i have zero interest in wanting these "powers" so that kinda puts that theory down 0_0 but alas given that both of us have repeated the same things constantly, its obvious that by continuing to try to out bitch each other isnt going to work.

[color=red]Gotta admit, totally didnt see your 20-30% addition tbh,
I just can't bring myself to let you [or anyone] take 20-30% of someones soul/boday/attributes WHATEVER THEY WOULD WANT TO TAKE and create an of tier homie/NPC/beast, if that where the case you could make at least two tier 6's out of a single tier 6 soul. If your intent on not wanting to have to "kill" for a full tier homie, taking 75% of someones soul would be the compromise i'd be willing to give. Im sure even you can see that if your wanting an of tier homie it should be only one per persons soul. Big moms could be totally different [speculation i know, gasp] given that shes the soul user the soru could easily boost the souls power, or some magical boost, but when using someone elses, it shouldnt be plausable to make multiple tier 6 souls out of a single tier 6 person.


so if you accept 75% we can then go from there to work out how much for the lower tiers based on high tier chars/npcs. If you still don't think Percentages are the way to go, I'm happy for you to offer other alternatives that may be more suited to your feelings.

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